SPEAKER_01 0:44

Welcome to the Femme Fatal, a true crime podcast with an astrology twist. I'm your host, Stacey Dotson. Each week I'll be joined by a guest host because this femme fatal prefers not to work alone. Welcome to the femme fatal. I'm joined again with my good friend Kay, but this time we're gonna mix it up. I'm gonna tell the story, and Kay's gonna discuss the pop culture on this one. And there is a lot. Sorry I picked this one, Kay.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

That's okay. There's some good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Yes. So today we are talking about Bonnie Parker, the loyal outlaw. So the reason I kind of call her the loyal outlaw is not just because she loved a criminal, but because she built her entire identity around the passion, danger, and devotion. And she wasn't just simply a woman standing behind him. She became part of the gang. Bonnie Elizabeth Parker was born October 1st, 1910, in Rowena, Texas. And her story starts in a way that already feels a little tragic. Her father died when she was young, only about four years old. And, you know, that loss changed the course of the family's life. After his death, Bonnie's mother, named Emma Parker, moved Bonnie and her two siblings, an older brother, Hubert Buster Parker, and a younger sister, Billy Parker, to Cement City in West Dallas, which was a rough working-class neighborhood. And her mom, Emma, she worked really hard to keep the family afloat. She took like odd jobs, seamstress, whatever she could to support the children. So, you know, they didn't come from a lot of money or glamour or anything. She came from hardship and loss and watching a mother try to hold a family together through sheer will, basically. So Bonnie obviously did not begin a life as an outlaw or troublemaker, right? And by most accounts, she was actually a good student. She loved school and loved reading, loved performing, and especially loved writing. And she had a flair for drama in the theatrical sense before she ever lived a dramatic life. Teachers described her as bright and expressive, and then friends remembered her as witty, emotional, romantic, and imaginative. She wrote poems and stories. And then at just 16 years old, she met and married Roy Thornton. What? Yeah. So she married a guy named Roy at 16. He was 18. So, I mean, you know, it wasn't that far off, but still, that's young to get married. And Roy's important in this because he helps explain what Bonnie may have already been drawn to before Clyde ever entered the picture. So Roy was restless, unstable, and already moving in criminal circles. He had an arrest record and would eventually end up in prison for robbery. Their marriage fell apart quickly. He would disappear for stretches of time. He drifted and left Bonnie behind. What's so fascinating is that she never divorced him. And even after she became Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde, she was still legally married to Roy. Oh wow. Yeah. And then when she died, she was still wearing their wedding ring.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Oh wow. So she never married Clyde. But forever will they be linked? Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

I mean, obviously. We're still talking about them. I was so excited. I don't know why I wanted to pick this one because it's like it's always together. They're always together. And I'm like, I want to know about her, like as a person. So I hope I do her justice in this and not just there's a lot of them together because you know they were partners, but I'm trying to make sure I talk about her. So yeah, so she's was wearing their wedding ring from their marriage. And that says a lot about her because you know she may have lived recklessly, but she was also sentimental. And again, I call her loyal and I'll stop saying that too much. But even when something was broken, she didn't always let it go. And obviously, later, the Clyde relationship that's broken. So, okay. Here comes the turning point. In 1930, Bonnie met Clyde Barrow in West Dallas at a mutual friend's house. Some versions say she was there helping care for a sick friend, and then Clyde arrived. And according to people who were there, the attraction was immediate. One friend later said that within minutes they were completely absorbed in each other, and the two quickly became inseparable.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

So she's 20 at this time. How old is Clyde?

SPEAKER_01 5:36

So yeah, he's about a year and a half older than her. Again, not too far off in her relationships. At this point, Roy was well out of the picture. Their marriage was over. He'd abandoned her, but it wasn't legally dissolved, as we discussed. So he's about a year and a half older than her when they meet, but he'd already been involved in theft, burglary, and car stealing.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Well, he sounds very similar to Roy. She has a type. Yeah, you know, she has a type. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

She definitely has a type. Only, you know, Clyde never leaves her side. We'll get to that later. So, I mean, he had a rebellious streak, obviously, as well, and resentment towards authority. A lot of people said, I mean, I don't know. I guess to her, he was excitement and, you know, escape from boring. Like she probably was just, I don't know what she was doing. That would be interesting to know between Roy and Clyde, how did she make a living? So their relationship formed fast and it formed under pressure. And not long after they met, Clyde was arrested and sent to prison. And so Bonnie visited him in prison. They stayed emotionally connected. And there's even stories that claim that she smuggled a gun into him, helping with an escape attempt that didn't obviously pan out. And the details vary depending on the source.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

How do you smuggle a gun into prison? Probably easier back then. I mean, right in the 1930s. Yeah. No metal detectors.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

No metal detectors, and like she probably wore it somewhere under her clothes, and you know.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Where men didn't feel comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. They're not gonna pat you down there.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Not patting you down in 19, what did I say? 1930. But after his release, it changed him, it hardened him, and he was tired of petty theft. He was like, We're gonna do something deeper. So when he came back out, he was no longer interested in that, and he upped his Annie and his crimes. And again, Bonnie stayed by his side. This is really the emotional center of Bonnie Parker's story. She kept choosing to stay. And in the beginning, the crimes were small: stolen cars, burglaries, robberies, little stores and gas stations. But at this time, the it was the Great Depression, and banks had failed. Law enforcement, nobody trusted law enforcement. Criminals could be turned into public folk anti-heroes. And over time, Bonnie and Klein became the emotional and symbolic center of the Barrow gang. And the gang included Clyde's brother, Buck, and Buck's wife, Blanche, and some others who I don't really moved in and out of the group. They crossed state lines, robbed businesses, stole cars, ran from the police, and were linked to a growing trail of violence and death.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

And the states that they were primarily focused on were Texas and Louisiana, right? They went to Missouri too. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

Yeah. Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, and Louisiana are the main ones. So they formed a gang. This is where Bonnie's public image really became bigger than reality. Newspaper photos showed her with guns, a cigar, leaning against stolen cars, like some depression error femme fatal. These photographs helped create the myth of Bonnie Parker as a glamorous, gunslinging outlaw queen. And some say she wasn't really as directly involved in the violence part as legend suggests. But once these photos spread, it was over. Bonnie Parker was no longer just a woman next to Clyde. She was, you know, involved. So at that time, we already talked about how people didn't trust banks, they lost money. And so it's like public opinion was divided. Some people were horrified by their behavior, and other people were fascinated. And some even admired that in that dangerous way. Well, like we talk about, like, okay, you can't look at a car crash, but how you and I've talked about many times about people that marry people in prison and stuff like that. They had fans and encouragement and stuff from people.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Back then in the 30s, the mafia was huge. People were obsessed with Al Capone, and outlaws were really popular people.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Yeah. Plus, if you you know you rob a bank and someone feels like the bank took all their money, you're gonna be like, yeah, show it to that bank. So on April 19th, 1932, in Kaufman, Texas, Bonnie was arrested after a failed break-in at a hardware store connected to an attempt to steal weapons. And she spent about two months in jail while authorities tried to decide what they could actually charge her with. A grand jury eventually declined to indict her. And so she was released after a short time in jail. Now, it matters because it gives you a glimpse of what Bonnie was not just a fugitive, but back to her writing skills, you know, from when she was younger. She wrote a bunch of poems and verses in her stint in jail. The best known one is called The Story of Bonnie and Clyde. And it's one of the eeries artifacts in crime history because she sounds like someone narrating her own ending, you know, before it happened, prophetic almost. And in it, she pushes back against the press and the way the public talked about them. But she also admits the story can only end one way. And some of the lines that people remember, the haunting lines, is they know the law always wins. They've been shot at before, but they do not ignore that death is the wages of sin. Someday they'll go down together and they'll bury them side by side. To few it'll be grief. To the law, it'll be a relief, but it's death for Bonnie and Clyde.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

She really foreshadowed her future.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

She did. She had her prophecy, right? Here, I wanted to read a list of the crimes that they were charged with. According to what I found, there was a lot more, but this is sort of like a summary of the bigger ones. So from 1932 to 1934, Bonnie Clyde and the borough gang went on violent, multi-state crime spree, built on car thefts, armed robberies, jailbreaks, and murders. And their targets were usually small town banks, grocery stores, gas stations, and roadside businesses, you know, not the giant banks. So we'll start April 19th, 1932. This is the one she was arrested for in Kaufman, Texas. It was a failed break-in at the hardware store where she was trying to steal weapons. And it's one of the clearest crimes that they can tie her to the gang. Like they know, you know, it's not just, was she this? She was doing this.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

And was she the only one arrested in Kaufman?

SPEAKER_01 12:40

She was the only one in that arrested. So April 30th, 1932, Hillsboro. Well, obviously, she was not involved with this one because she was now that I read it, I'm like, she was in jail. Hillsboro, Texas, during a robbery, store owner JN Butcher was shot and killed. And this is the gang's first murder. And it was due to a holdup. On August 5th, in 1932, Stringtown, Oklahoma, Clyde and Raymond Hilton, who was, I guess, one of the revolving gang members at the time, opened fire on a lawman, killing Deputy Eugene Seymour and wounding Sheriff C.G. Maxwell. Now, late 1932, the gang kept moving through Texas and neighboring states, pulling off a string of service station robberies, store holdups, and stolen car getaways. On Christmas Day 1932, in Temple, Texas, Clyde and the gang stole a car and killed Doyle Johnson. So they carjacked him and killed him.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

He was a citizen, not a cop.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yeah, it was just off the highway, one of their off-the-highway crimes. January 6, 1933, in Tarrant County, Texas, there was a police trap for them. They got away, but in it they killed Deputy Malcolm Davis. On April 13th, 1933, in Joplin, Missouri, this is one of their most famous shootouts. The gang killed detective Harry McGuinness and Constable Wesley Harriman before escaping. And they left behind the now infamous Bonnie and Clyde photos. So that was one of the bigger, like they really were trying to catch them. And so there was tons of traps until the last one, and they never worked. So now we're going to July 1933 in Platte City, Missouri. And it was at the Red Crown Tourist Court. Lawmen closed in after a trail of robberies and stolen cars and a major gun battle followed, and they barely escaped. No one died in that one. November 1933, near Grand Prairie, Texas, Bonnie and Clyde escaped another police trap, then carjacked a man on the highway and stole his car. On December 21st, 1933, in Shreveport, Louisiana, they robbed a private citizen and showed that basically their crimes were expanding beyond, you know, like anything to do with banks or stuff like that. They hit a private citizen. On January 16th, 1934, in East Hem Prison Farm, Texas, Clyde helped pull off a notorious East Him prison break, arming inmates and helping them escape. During the breakout, prison officer Major Joe Crausen was killed. So they had a prison break. They broke someone out of prison.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

You know, it makes you wonder, Clyde probably had a really bad experience in prison. Probably.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

I'm sure. He already had a wild streak crime, petty crime side, but yeah, prison changed him. As I would imagine, it would change anybody. April 1st, 1934, near Grapevine, Texas, Bonnie and Clyde were tied to the killing of Texas Highwayman patrolmen, H. D. Murphy, and also Edwin Bryan Wheeler. On April 6, 1934, near Commerce, Oklahoma, the gang killed Constable Cow Campbell in another roadside encounter. And then by the end of all this, the Barrow gang had been linked to dozens of robberies, car thefts, a prison break, multiple kidnappings during escapes, and the deaths of law officers and civilians across several states.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

I don't know. That's a crime spree, right? In two years.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

That is a crime spree for sure. And they would have hung or been put to death if they would have been captured.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

And the amazing thing is, how many did I say like were traps and they got away? Okay, then comes the car accident. In June 1933, while hiding out near Wellington, Texas, Clyde was driving a stolen car at night and failed to see that a bridge had been washed out. And the car plunged off the broken edge into a dry creek bed. During the crash, the battery broke loose and spilled acid, which soaked Bonnie's right leg. The burns were catastrophic, not just painful, catastrophic. The flesh was badly damaged. And because they were fugitives, they could not exactly take her to the hospital. The gang had to treat them themselves. No, hiding out while she screamed through burns and infections and recovery, that actually really never happened. After they had the bodies, apparently one leg was significantly smaller than the other, where the acid had ate up the flesh.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Wow. I did not know that. It's been a while since I've seen the Bonnie and Cleagne, the 67 one with Beatty and Dunaway. I don't remember if they did that in there.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

I don't think they talked about the acid. So basically, from that point on, she was physically changed, you know, impaired. She couldn't walk normally. She often had to hop and limp. Now, what I haven't mentioned, I saved it for now, is even though she seemed larger than life, wielding guns and all the photos, she was only four feet eleven and ninety pounds.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah. So she was a tiny, tiny girl. And witnesses say later, and I've seen a couple pictures, like Clyde would literally pick her up and carry her doing this stuff. Like, so he would carry her from place to place, going to safe houses into the car chase. You know what I mean? All this stuff. Heading to the end of their story. Sad truth was Bonnie was a very injured lady and still chose to keep going. Wow. She had to be living in extreme pain all the time.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Right? Unless they found some good painkillers for her. Maybe she was high.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

Maybe she was drunk all the time. So how tough was she? Like, that's she's a tough little woman. Okay. So by 1934, law enforcement had had enough. Like, how many times have they tried and failed to stop this, right? So local law enforcement, they were just determined to end it. Oh, and at the same time, which I'm gonna just mention, but I don't really tap into the FBI had an investigation going on all the car thefts. So they were really focusing on that. But why not the murders? I don't know. Odd. Okay. Well, I mean, there probably was in that, but there was like a strong car theft case that they were working on them. So, like I said, by 1934, local law enforcement was like, this is crap. We gotta really, we gotta end this, right? So they brought in the Texas Rangers, specifically Frank Hamer. And Frank Hamer was not just some random officer who got lucky in this. He was already a legendary Texas lawman long before Bonnie and Clyde. He was born in 1884 in Texas, and he built his reputation as a tough, relentless tracker. And he'd spent years working on difficult and violent cases. And he was known for his patience and fieldcraft and quiet persistence. It made him super dangerous to fugitives. He actually wasn't serving as a Texas Ranger's time. So he was more like a consultant. You know, they brought him in because they were like, we need the best, right? So by the time he was hunting down Bonnie and Clyde, it was May 1934. You know, he had just been brought in, like I said, consultant. So the end came on May 23rd, 1934, on a rural road in Bienville, Paris, Louisiana. And so officers were waiting in ambush when Bonnie and Clyde drove into the trap, and the lawman just opened fire almost immediately. And the car was shredded with bullets. And Bonnie and Clyde were instantly killed in the car where they sat when she was only 23 years old at the time.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Were they the only two that were killed in that?

SPEAKER_01 20:59

They were the only two. So the other officers that carried out the ambush, some names I found were like Many Galt, Bob Alcorn, Ted Hinton, Henderson Jordan, and Prentice Oakley. All of them were from Texas and Louisiana. But I couldn't find a full roster. But apparently there was a significant group of people like we're catching them this time.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Even in death, the story didn't become quieter, it became louder. Crowds gathered almost instantly. People wanted to see the car, the bodies, and the proof that the crime spree had really ended. Their deaths became a spectacle. Their bullet-riddled car became a morbid attraction. And it still is today. You can see it in Prim Nevada. It's like a museum type exhibit. Yeah, it is. So also reportedly, people were there trying to take things from the scene, like it got swarmed by people. So remember in her poem, she mentioned that they would. Would be buried side by side. Well, her mother, Emma, refused. You know, she blamed Clyde for the life Bonnie had lived and for the way it had ended. And so she would not allow Bonnie's body to be buried beside him. And so the two most famous lovers in American crime mythology were separated in death. Bonnie's funeral drew heavy attention. Large crowds came to pay respects, stare, mourn, and just to be part of the media circus, right? Bonnie is buried at Crown Hill Memorial Park in Dallas, Texas. And Clyde is buried in Western Heights Cemetery in Dallas, Texas. So they're both in Dallas, just not next to each other. You know, I mean, she definitely wasn't the mastermind. I think Clyde was the mastermind of everything. But I don't know, who knows? Maybe she never murdered anyone. They say she was more on the theft side or whatever, but she was still, you know, a partner and all that. She's still infamous. And she also wrote her own legend.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

She pretty much wrote her own obituary.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah. That's my story of Bonnie Parker. I love it. Can you believe she was so teeny? He just carried her to crime scenes.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

She was a petite little flower of a girl, but pretty uh criminal mind. So, okay, would you like to know a little bit about pop culture? I would. You said that like a weirdo. Like Molly Shannon in the uh sweaty balls gun.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Yes, my calm NPR voice.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

There is a ton of pop culture about Bonnie out there, Bonnie and Clyde, but it's a ton. So I've sifted through it in first and foremost, Bonnie and Clyde, the movie that was released in 1967, starring Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway, and they were gorgeous people. A lot of people might remember them for the Oscars a couple of years ago. They presented Best Picture, they gave it to La La Land, and it was supposed to go to Moonlight. Yeah. It was Warren Beatty. They did it together. And Faye Dunaway. They did it together. And they've had so much plastic surgery between them.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

I don't know why people don't just age gracefully. Yeah, just age. Just age.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

You look weird. You do. So, you know, that was a great movie, of course. But I discovered a new one I had not heard of. It was called The Highway Men. It came out in 2019, starring Kevin Costner and Woody Harrelson. And they played the Texas Rangers. Kevin Costner was Frank Hamer, and Woody Harrelson was Manny Galt. They starred in it, and Kathy Bates also starred in it. She plays Governor Ma Ferguson of Texas. Did you know that before Ann Richards there was one female governor of Texas? I did not know this. Oh, he used to be so progressive. Right. And then reverted. And then progressed and then reverted back again. Poor Texas. Oh, I gotta go back though to the movie Bonnie and Clyde. So in that movie, you've got Faye Delaware, you've got Warren Beatty. It also starred a very young Jean Hackman. And then a lady named Estelle Parsons played Blanche Barrow, the wife of Clyde Barrow's older brother. You might remember Estelle Parsons as Roseanne and Jackie's mom on Roseanne.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Oh, yeah, I remember her. Okay. I didn't when you said the name, I didn't know who it was, but I remember her.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Yeah, so she was actually the only person to win an Oscar for that movie. She won Best Supporting Actress. She did? So Wharton Beatty and Faye, neither one of them won. Did it win Best Picture, though? It won Best Cinematography and Best Supporting Actress, but it was nominated for like 10 awards. Okay. I want to say also that it was up against a lot of good movies that year. What was the one with Dustin Hoffman? Uh The Graduate.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Oh, the graduate Tootsie? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Tootsie was the 80s. That was way later, yeah. So I want to see this movie, The Highwayman. It actually sounds pretty good. And it had a limited theatrical release. Apparently, it was like really hard to get this movie produced, and it was limited in movie release and then went to Netflix almost immediately. It wasn't critically acclaimed, but I still want to see it. Then we've got tons of music. Merle Haggard had a song in 1968 called The Legend of Bonnie Clyde, and Tammy Wynette, she also recorded that same song. Eminem had a song called 97 Bonnie and Clyde. It was about him and his daughter. Jay-Z and Beyoncé had a song called O3 Bonnie and Clyde. That was on Jay-Z's album The Blueprint 2, The Gift and the Curse. And then there was a ton of stuff on television. I think most notably was the Looney Tunes cartoon called Bonnie and Claude. It was a parody of Bonnie and Clyde, and it portrayed them stealing carrots. So was it Bugs and Lola? I think it was Bugs and Lola. His little girlfriend, his little bunny girlfriend. There was also a television film from 1992 called Bonnie and Clyde The True Story. And then, of course, The Simpsons. They of course did one too. Season 19, Love Springfieldian style, and Margin Homer played Bonnie and Clyde. There's also video games, Fallout New Vegas from 2010. Vicky and Vance are based on Bonnie and Clyde. And then Grand Theft Auto 6 has not come out yet. It's slated for November of 2026. But that one is supposed to be based on Bonnie and Clyde.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

So a lot of roadblocks and bullet-ridden cars, maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Probably so. And the colloquial expression, Bonnie and Clyde, or they're a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde, that is often used to describe a couple that is very loyal to one another and will go to the ends of the earth for each other, even committing crime. Thought this was interesting. It's synonymous with the slang phrase, ride or die.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Ah, I like that ride or die. Because that's like, you know, you always say to people, you're my ride or die. Or I don't always say that. Like people say that when they're in love, like you're my ride or die.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Right. So I'll wrap up pop culture with that. But we need to check out that movie with Woody Harrelson and Kevin Coston.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Yeah, I'm gonna watch that. I have Netflix. I can watch that. Okay, so I'm gonna jump in on the end and do the astrology part. I'm gonna be brief about her because I did something a little different. So Bonnie Parker, October 1st, 1910, her son's in Libra, and Libra is a sign of balance and partnership. It's relationship-oriented, and it's the sign that defines itself through another person. And again, the sun is your overall personality. And so this fits Bonnie's story perfectly. Her identity became completely tied to Clyde. The Libra energy can be charming, romantic, and idealistic about love, but in its dark form, you know, has codependency issues and especially weird codependency loyalty to partners. It overrides personal judgment. And so her moon, her emotional side, is in cancer. And the cancer moon energy is emotional, protective, and very attached to their loved ones. This placement can create intense loyalty to family or partners. And in Bonnie's case, her emotional attachment to Clyde was incredibly strong, as we know. And even when she was injured and could barely walk, she still remained on the run with him. I just realized on the run when she couldn't walk. Her Mars, her action planet isn't Scorpio. Scorpio's intense, fearless, and willing to operate in dangerous situations and environments. So, you know, she was willing to go be in these situations for the person that she was loyal to. Okay, what I did differently is because they are so intertwined, even though, like, this is supposed to be her story. I did their love sign, their companion signs. I put that together. Bonnie was a Libra and Clyde was an Aries. These are polar opposite signs to one another on the karmic wheel of life, if you will. Libra is represented by the scales. It's balance. Like the name Libra is derived from equilibrium. Libras take time and they weigh all the options and they look at both sides of a situation and can relate to things on both sides. And exact opposite of Clyde, who's an Aries, he's reactionary and they act before weighing both sides. They only tend to analyze both sides in a situation afterwards. We're like, oh, what could I have done differently there? And Aries men are also very possessive in love, and they find it really hard to resist the charms of the Libra woman, who's their sort of exact opposite. Her calm demeanor makes him try harder to win her, like possess. He wants to make her his, and her smile makes him melt like a snowman in July. Bonnie must have seen this behavior and spontaneity in Clyde, and she accepted him and knew what a life with him would entail, because you know, she was probably the person in Zelda that considered every option and chose to move forward. And she even sort of wrote about this in her story of Bonnie and Clyde to seeing both sides. Here's what she wrote. They hate all law, stool pigeons, spotters, and rats. They call them cold-blooded killers. They say they are heartless and mean. But I say this with pride. I once knew Clyde when he was honest, upright, and clean. So she sees him like good and bad and chooses to stay. Here's the acceptance. They don't think they're tough or desperate. They know the law always wins. They've been shot at before, but they do not ignore that death is the wages of sin. So she basically was ride or die. I'm staying by your side no matter what. And I do think she made that decision on her own.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Oh, yeah. She made it back when she was in prison. Yeah, back when she was writing that in jail.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah. I hope I did her justice in focusing on her, you know, a little bit more because it's hard. I mean, they're inseparable. It's hard not to talk about both of them and what he did, you know. So yeah. Well, thanks, Stacey. That was fun. Thank you so much for doing this again. You're a regular. I'm a regular. Hey, cheers. Cheers. It's Friday night. Oh god. Thanks for joining us on the Femme Fatal. And as always, I'll put links into some of the things we discussed. Probably not all the songs, because there's a lot of them. But I'll make a playlist on Spotify and I'll put all the songs in there and link to that playlist. But yeah, so thanks. And Kay's a regular now. So this is what number three? Number three, but I didn't tell the story this time. I'm excited. I got to tell the story this time. Okay. Good night. Good night. The Femme Fatal. Created and hosted by Stacy Dotson. Produced by Mark Williams. Music by Marcia Yingling, Chad Chane, and Greg Loicano.