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Welcome to the Femme Fatal, a true crime podcast with an astrology twist. I'm your host, Stacy Dotson. Each week I'll be joined by a guest host because this femme fatale prefers not to work alone. Well, welcome. Thank you all for being here today. You are at a live recording of the Femme Fatal. And it's happening right here today at Spindletop Brewery in Houston, Texas. And I'm so glad you came out. I'm Stacy Dotson. I'm your host. And I want to introduce my co-host, Kay. Regular listeners can remember her from Pamela Smart episodes and the Corey Richens episodes. And she's an OG from Houston, but she now lives in Colorado Springs. And she came in just for this. And that just tells you how much she loves true crime. So we've known each other since high school. And uh hopefully we'll she'll host a lot more with me. Well, today we decided to stay local. We also like in this episode that no one got physically hurt. Some people got emotionally hurt, but nobody actually died. The plan failed, which means we get to sit in a brewery, drink beer, and talk about the absolute disaster of a situation and the woman behind it. And we're not taking ourselves seriously today. That story will do it for us. The woman we're talking about is Wanda Holloway. You may know her as the pom-pom mom, or you may know her as the Texas cheerleader mom. And we picked Wanda because she is a Houston channel view legend and she's a true crime story that's also somehow a comedy. And she's a cautionary tale about competitive parenting taken to the absolute outer limit. So does everyone have a beverage? Hold it up to our live episode. Let's go. Cheers.

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Cheers.

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Cheers.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Well, thanks for having me. Welcome, everybody. Before we get started with the Wanda Holloway story, I wanted to ask you, did you ever cheer in junior high or high school?

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Well, I was a little longhorn cheerleader when I was in early junior high. Uh, you know, not as coordinated as I should have been. But the other day I was talking to my niece and she made drill team. You know, we were talking about it, and I said, Oh, I'm a little jealous because I auditioned for drill team senior year and didn't make it. And she got so upset. She's like, oh my God, Stacey, I'm so sorry. And I was like, Well, it was 1988. So I'm over it, mostly over it.

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Well, I tried out for cheerleader in the seventh grade, going into the eighth grade. So if you try out in the seventh grade, you'd be a cheerleader in the eighth grade. And became abundantly clear to me during tryouts that I am way too uncoordinated for anything like that. So I had to pursue other activities. And that's okay. My parents were okay with it. But one parent that was not okay with her child not making the cheerleading squad was a lady named Wanda Holloway. And I'm gonna tell you a little bit about Wanda. Okay, so Wanda was born in 1954 in East Texas. She's a native of Channelview. And a little geography lesson for those of you who are not familiar with the greater Houston metropolitan area. Channelview is just outside of Beltway 8 on the east side of town. Uh, it's right at the northwest tip of the Houston Chip Channel. If you get on I-10, head towards Louisiana, you go straight through Channel View. So that is where she was born and raised. Her dad, Clyde, was he worked for the local cement plant. The mom, her name was Verna, and that name will come up again here in just a moment. Verna worked as a lunch lady at the Channelview High School. Wanda was raised in a strict Southern Baptist family. One of her dreams was to be a cheerleader. And that dream was quashed by mom and dad. They said, You can't wear that skimpy little cheerleading outfit, Wanda. And she loved attention. She wanted to be the center of attention, but she could not be a cheerleader. She didn't travel far from Channelview after she graduated from high school. She actually married her high school sweetheart, a guy named Tony Harper. And they stayed in Channelview. She had two kids, Shane, and then they had Shanna in the 70s. And they were married not too, too long, about seven, eight years, because Tony was looking for love outside of the marriage. And Wanda was having none of that. So they got divorced in 1980. And Wanda didn't waste much time. She found husband number two and moved to Beaumont to be with him. And he was a little bit older, lived 80 miles east down the road again in Beaumont. And uh shortly after they got married, his elderly mom moved in with him. And that was not what Wanda had bargained for. Too young for that. Too young for that. So she said, I'm out of here. So they got divorced. And she moved back to Channelview. And she was the pianist or organist at their local church. Channelview missionary baptism.

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Missionary Baptist, yeah.

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And met the choir director, CeeDee Holloway. And they fell in love. He was 20 years her senior, so 20 years older than her. They fell in love, got married, and settled down there in Channelview as a little family. So the kids are growing up, they're living their happy little life. And Shanna, again, that's the daughter. She is in the same grade and she's the same age as a little girl named Amber Heath in their neighborhood. So Verna Heath is the mom, and Amber Heath is her daughter. And so Verna and Wanda, because they're daughters, Shanna and Amber are the same age and same class, they travel in the same social circles and they become friends. They're not best friends, but they become friends. They do things together like shopping, go into the pool. Uh, the little girls are in dance and tumbling, and they both want to be cheerleaders when they get older. And they do the Foley's modeling thing.

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Do you remember the did you ever do the Foli's modeling thing? I did it. I did it. I had to uh stand like a mannequin for a really long time. And then when we did our final, I walked to the Heat is on by Glenn Fry.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

That's awesome. Okay, so uh yeah, my sisters and I did that too. Yeah, we won't talk about that. Uh so they were friends. That all changed in 1988. Amber and Shanna they go to this Christian elementary school together. The elementary school is K through six, and in uh junior high school, junior high school is six through eight. So at the end of fifth grade, Wanda changed Shanna to the local public junior high school. It's called Alice Johnson Junior High School and put her in Alice Johnson for the sixth grade. And that was for the sole purpose of Shanna being eligible to try out for cheerleader. So at the end of the sixth grade, you could try out for cheerleader and be a cheerleader in seventh grade. And so that's where Shanna landed. Well, Amber remained at this Christian elementary school for sixth grade. But when it came time to try out for cheerleader, she petitioned Alice Johnson Junior High School and got the okay, even though she wasn't a student there, got the okay for Amber to try out for cheerleader.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Yeah, Verna did. That's a total B move because you know the rules, and I too would have been very, very mad.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Wait, there's more. So, Amber, as she's getting ready to go out and try out for cheerleader, she's also passing out Heath candy bars to the student body population. Because back in the day, I don't know if they still do it, but back in the day, you had to try out for cheerleader in front of the student body. So she was petitioning students to vote for her, handing out these Heath candy bars. Now they didn't say her name on them, but they did because it was built in. Yes. So Amber Heath. So they try out for cheerleader, and it gets narrowed down to six girls, and only the top two are cheerleaders. And the vote was for another girl and Amber. And Shanna came in third. Wanda was pissed. Yes. Pissed. Because if Amber wasn't there in her mind, Shanna would have become cheerleader.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

And Amber shouldn't have been there. She should not have been eligible.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

So that really started the hatred of Verna Heath. Yes. So now it's seventh grade and it's springtime. And cheerleading tryouts are coming again. Tony Harper is Shanna Harper's dad. Right. Wanda Holloway's mom. Wanda and Tony actually pitched in together and bought a bunch of pencils and rulers with Shanna's name on it. Vote for Shanna Harper for cheerleader. They were going to pass those out at school, or Shanna was. Bribery. Bribery. Like Amber had done the year before with her Heath candy bars. Well, before trials began, the school put into place rules and they said, you cannot pass out any candy like this happened last year. So none of that. And when Wanda asked about the pencils and the rulers, they said, no, you can't do that either.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

She feels like I guess the rules got changed on her twice now.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Right. Yeah. So she's really not happy about it, but okay, let's try it for cheerleader. Well, before the tryouts begin. So it sounded like, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounded like to get people to vote for cheerleader, Wanda and Shanna sat down and made these little megaphones, just like little cardboard megaphones. Make sure to vote March 20th, Cheerleader, something like that. Generic, yes. Generic, no names. And they had like little popsicle sticks attached to them, and they were Shanna was going to pass them out at school. But they ran out of the little popsicle sticks. Yes. So Wanda had the idea, well, let's use the rulers for the sticks on the megaphones.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Right, because they're paid for and they're just sitting there.

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They're just sitting there. Uh Shanna takes those megaphones to school to pass out. And Verna Heath gets wind of this and lets administration know, hey, this is happening. And they call Wanda and Shanna into the office and say you've blatantly violated the rules. You are disqualified from trying out for cheerleader. Yes. Being a cheerleader, I mean, that's a big deal to some people.

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In Texas, especially, like football and cheerleaders. They go hand in hand and it's a very important year.

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So, like any normal person, that prompted Wanda to become a criminal. I'm just kidding. She really lost her freaking marbles. Yes, she did. So Wanda was living vicariously through her daughter at this point. She didn't get to child for cheerleader. Wanda wasn't able to be a cheerleader. This was devastating. September of 1990. It's eighth grade year. Shanna and Amber are both 13, 14 years old. And in September of 1990, Wanda approaches her ex-brother-in-law. So remember Tony Harper, that's first husband. Tony has a little brother named Terry, who is a little bit of a criminal. He's a petty criminal, nothing violent, but he's got some drug charges. Misdemeanors. Misdemeanors. He's currently on probation for a DUI, DWI in Texas. So she drives over to Terry's house one day and says, Terry, come on over to this gas station over here. I want to talk to you. So she drives to the gas station and he meets her there, gets out of his car, sits in her front car, and she asks him, What would you think about killing Vernon Heath? And Amber Heath, the daughter, who's in junior high school, because they're really ruining my daughter's life. Terry's a little bit uh, what? Uh, really? Thinks she's joking at first. And then he says, Okay, let me think about this. I'm gonna get back to you. Well, he goes to his brother Tony and he's like, Hey, Tony, uh, this happened. Tony says, Terry, you need to get to law enforcement. You need to tell them about this. He does. So Terry goes to uh the Harris County, I think it was the sheriff's office, and says, This is happening. And they, well, okay, we need a little more proof than your word. So they give him wires and they said, Record these conversations. And they do it at a payphone. The calls are on a payphone, like 90s. They have about five or six conversations that are recorded on the phone and in person. Okay, so that first meeting was not recorded. That's when she asked Terry, according to Terry, to kill. In these recorded conversations, she never says the words kill them. But he's asking her, you still want me to do what we talked about? Yes, I do. Barry insistent. He says, You want her dead? And her response, I don't care what you do with her, you can keep her in Cuba for 15 years. I want her gone. Again, quoted $2,500 to kill Verna, $7,500 to eliminate both, $5,000 for just the daughter because she's young. Anyway, uh then she decides she doesn't have enough money. So she says, okay, okay, just Verna, right?

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One of the things she says is, uh, well, Verna ain't worth a piece of shit, is she? After she finds out she's reduced, she's at her reduced rate.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

She's at her reduced rate. This is one of the things she said. She said, Terry, you don't know this little girl, referring to Amber. If you knew her, ooh, I can't stand her. I mean, she's a bitch. Makes me sick about the mother. The mother's done more damage than the daughter. The mother is the one that screwed me around. So ultimately, the agreement was kill Verna, leave Amber alone. So to set the hit in motion, she gives Terry a pair of diamond earrings worth $2,000. And this is what occurs in the Granny's parking lot. And he's like, okay, that'll be the down payment. You'll pay me the rest after the deed is done. He takes those recordings to law enforcement. They say, okay, this is enough. We got it. So on January 30th, 1991, Wanda is arrested and charged with solicitation of capital murder. So Wanda's trial began in late August of 1991. And prosecutors portrayed Wanda as a woman not only obsessed with her daughter being a cheerleader, but also one fueled by envy and filled with evil intentions. Mike Anderson was a prosecutor. He said, this isn't about cheerleading folks. It's about someone who hated someone so much that it gnawed at her night and day.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Yep.

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And so during the six-day trial, jurors heard the tapes, which were very damning. They also heard the testimony of Terry and Wanda.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

I wanted to say typically, with a character like Terry, it works against the prosecution. Like he can easily get discredited. But because he was so discreditable, it actually worked in favor. Like they tied her to this shady character, and it worked in their favor.

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And he was very forthcoming about his criminal history. Right. Yeah, I did it. I'm a criminal. Well, Wanda's defense team argued that the entire situation was a scheme concocted by Tony Harper. So the dad, Shannon and Shane's dad, uh, and also Terry Harper. They claimed her ex-husband held a grudge against Wanda following their 1980 divorce, during which Wanda was actually awarded full custody of the kids. And I'm not quite sure why, but she was. He still had visitation, but she was their full-time caregiver.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

Yeah, and apparently it was uh he considered it excessive alimony in child support that he had to pay.

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And so the theory of the defense was he wanted out of paying child support. Tony is like, these kids are teenagers, they're almost grown. Why would I wait until 1990 to do something about this? Right. He was able to sell that theory. So uh Wanda got up and testified and said, I didn't want to have anyone killed. I didn't want anyone kidnapped. I never realized Terry was serious. She continued, she addressed the jury directly. She said, I'm sorry I said all that stuff. I know it sounds awful. She insisted the plot was Terry's idea, and she had not backed out because she was afraid of him. But the jury did not believe that. The tapes indicated there was no fear in her voice at all. And she admitted on the stand that she never informed the police. She was so afraid, but she never called the police. The defense also had Marla testified. So Marla Harper, Terry Harper, the younger brother, the hitman. The middleman. The middleman. So Terry was married. If I read correctly, he was married six times by this point.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yes, they got divorced and then they got remarried. So she was a sixth and seventh wife.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Seven times? Really? Okay. So they'd been married twice, and apparently, so Marla gets up to testify in favor of the defense. Marla testified that Tony and Terry had colluded. They came up with this plot. It was their idea, and they were setting up Wanda. The jury said they did not believe Marla. Felt like Marla's testimony was retaliatory towards Terry because they had a terrible couple of marriages. Apparently, they were drunk and infused, just bad. And Terry was somewhat abusive. So she was doing it because Terry was a jerk. Yes. The jury did not believe that. There was also a friend of Shane. He was the 17-year-old older brother of Shanna. Shane had a high school friend. So this kid was 17, 18. He recalled Wanda once to ask him if he would kill Verna Heath. So, y'all, with all of this evidence, the jury, after six hours of deliberation, they found her guilty on the charge of solicitation of capital murder. And she was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

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So after she was sentenced, it became American crime coverage at its best. Like British tabloids, first Geraldo, then a current affair, and then naturally the daytime talk show circuit descended on Channel View Texas. And remembered the days of gotcha TV. This was like what was happening. So everybody was trying to get their piece of the pie. So Verna and Amber actually went on Maury Povich. They sat down on national television. And you know, obviously, good for you. You survive a murder for hire plot. You can go whatever TV show you want, right? Meanwhile, Wanda, fresh off her conviction, goes on Larry King and Oprah, and then she goes on the Phil Donnayu show with Shanna. And Shanna's sitting right next to her. And Wanda looked like she loved it. She was laughing and just having the best time. And Shanna looked like she wanted to evaporate. But, you know, here's your mom, right? She's beaming on a talk show, you know, that she tried to hire someone, or she's convicted for murder for hire for a cheerleader. And Shanna would go on later to speak publicly. And she spoke publicly for the first time on a documentary, an investigation discovery documentary called The Texas Cheerleader Murder Plot. It came out in 2024. You can watch it on Macs. I streamed it on Macs. So okay, I'll let you get back.

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Okay, so 15 years in prison. That was her sentence. Yes. But two months after the trial, a mistrial was declared because there was a juror. It was discovered that this juror was on probation for a felony drug charge and was deemed ineligible to serve on the jury. So mistrial declared, and the prosecution was going after again. They weren't going to let this one slide. So the second challenge. Trial though was not until 1996. So we're talking five years down the road. By this time, Wanda in 1996, she ended up taking a plea deal. She pled no contest to the solicitation charge and was given 10 years in prison. No contest is essentially a guilty plea, but you're not pleading guilty. You're just taking the consequences of a guilty plea. District Judge George Goodwin ruled that Wanda would not benefit from more prison time and ordered her to perform a thousand hours of community service instead. So after six months in prison, this judge let her out, put her on a thousand hours of community service, and then she spent the next nine and a half years on probation.

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The girls, you know, everyone has to go on with their lives, right? They have got to go back to school and they're going to the same school. The first start of the year, after all this went down, Shanna gets to school and her locker is right next to Amber's and Amber's brother because it's Harper and Heath. They're alphabetical. They would go on and just kind of survive and exist in uh high school. Amber ran for student council, and so did Shanna. And Amber got elected, and Shanna got elected vice president.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

So there you go. My goodness. So did you see anything in your research? Did they get along with one another?

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Well, I mean, I think that they were best friends at one point. They were always together before all this happened. But I mean, I think they just all coexisted. And I feel like, you know, Shanna will talk about it later. Like she went through severe depression and everything. But, you know, what do you do? Like there's nothing you can do. And she didn't want to live with her dad because apparently she didn't really like her dad.

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So they stayed in the same house in Channel View. Yeah. In same schools. Same schools? Wow. Okay. Well, after she got out of prison in 1997, Wanda Holloway just pretty much dropped off the radar. She has sought no publicity since then, has done no interviews since then. She remarried, so husband number four, because I guess Holloway decided that was the end of their marriage. She moved on to another marriage and she became a secretary, and that's life for Wanda. But Shanna, like you said, did the documentary.

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Okay, so I'm gonna backtrack. When all this was happening, again, they're all trying to sell their life rights, right? Including Verna and Amber. And or I'll just say Verna. I don't think Amber and Shanna ever wanted any of this, you know? But Tony, Shanna's dad, was out there really pushing to like get all these deals done, but he was doing it very shadily. He was trying to get the money to go to him. And Wanda actually stepped in and hired an attorney and said that, no, if we're gonna sell our life rights, Shanna's gonna get the money. And so everyone's just trying to get their piece of the pie.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

So he was trying to sell the story.

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He was trying to sell Shanna's life rights and her story, but he was gonna get paid for it.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Okay.

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And so anyway, the attorney got it to go in front of a judge, and the judge stepped in and he kind of prioritized Shanna. I mean, someone had to look out for her, right? Because her her dad wasn't doing it. The highest bidder in the life rights was HBO. So the judge said, okay, this is the most money, and we're gonna do that, and it all goes to Shanna in a trust. Should I just jump into that? Are you cool? Jumping into the pop culture? Okay, so meanwhile, while Wanda's going through all this stuff and moving on, ABC had already made a movie on their own. And I don't know where they got the rights for this, but it was called The Willing to Kill, the Texas Cheerleader Story, and it starred Leslie Ann Warren. I didn't watch that one, but just wanted to mention it did exist. Oh, also in uh 2000's Bring It On, someone says that mother didn't kill anyone. She hired a hitman. So there's that. But the HBO movie came out, and it's called The Positively True Adventures of the Alleged Texas Cheerleader Murdering Mom. And that's the full title. It premiered April 10th, 1993. It was directed by Michael Ritchie, the man who gave us the bad news bears. And it starred Holly Hunter as Wanda, Bo Bridges as Terry Harper and the brother-in-law, and Swoozy Kurtz was Terry's wife, Marla. There was also a baby, Giovanni Rabisi, if you guys know who that is. Oh my gosh. Yes. And a young Andy Richter was in it. Anyway, the movie is over the top. It's campy, it's sharp. It plays like a fake documentary, like now, you know, the kind of mockumentary interview ones. It kind of became a prototype for Itanya, if you will, like a darker comedic tone. So Bo Bridges plays the Terry Harper, an ex-con born-again Christian. He's excellent. Like he pulls off the Texas completely and the sliminess a little bit. But Holly Hunter's performance is amazing. She must have studied those tapes because when Wanda's recorded on those tapes, she's got like this high-pitched, nervous, crazy laughter and everything. And Holly Hunter just nails it. So the movie actually pokes holes at itself, you know, and there's when it gets to the part where the media frenzy happens and everybody's trying to sell their life rights, there's a scene with a writer and a producer. Rider's like, I see Holly Hunter in the role for this, you know, even though she's playing at the movie. And the producer's like, no, no, no. Susan Lucci. And so for those of you who may remember, Susan Lucci was the queen of daytime soap opera. She played Erica Kane on All My Children for decades. She was also famous for being nominated for the Daytime Emmy Awards 18 consecutive times and not winning. And she was nominated in 1993, the same year the movie aired and lost, of course, again. But meanwhile, Holly Hunter, playing Wanda Holloway in the HBO movie, was also nominated and she won the Emmy. And Coe Bridges won the Emmy too. The film kind of swept the Emmys that year. I found it on YouTube, so you can find it on YouTube. I didn't find it on anything else. So at the end, there's these title cards that pop up. Meanwhile, Mrs. Holloway is suing the following, demanding in excess of $3 million for defamatory statements: Maury Povich, Paramount Pictures, The Houston Post, Nancy Carter, and Edith Carter. And then Gina Bradley, a neighbor of Wanda Holloway, is suing the following for nightmares and sleepless nights. And her lawsuit is in excess of $1 million. She's suing Tony Harper, Time Magazine, People Magazine, Phil Donahue, and the Multimedia Entertainment. And so I looked into it and nothing ever came out of those lawsuits. But they were all trying to get the piece of the pie. So at the end of the movie, there was a last title card that said, No spiders or cheerleaders were harmed in the making of this event. So Shanna was invited to the premiere of the movie. And she went and she really just wanted to meet Holly Hunter, but Holly Hunter refused to meet her. You know, it could be one of those things where maybe she just felt awkward because of the situation, or maybe it never made it to her because I'm sure Shanna didn't have access to her right away. She probably had access to, you know, an assistant or something. And maybe Holly Hunter. I don't know Holly Hunter, but I would imagine she's nicer than that.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Right? That's odd.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Okay. Do you want to move on to astrology?

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yes. The astrology is why we're all here. No, it's not. It is.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

It's a true crime. So, okay. I need to briefly explain why I even have a birthday. So she is just off the internet. You know, and we had her maiden name and everything. We were could not find it. And apparently the transcripts aren't digitized. All I could find was she was born February 1954. And then I found I'm sleuthing, and I found an old AOL article that said Shanna and her mom was talking about how Shanna and her mom have reconnected and all this stuff. And there's a picture of her on Instagram that they're at lunch for her birthday. So I went through to Shanna's whole Instagram. And I found her I know. And so I found the picture. It was her and her mom at Katie's Seafood House in Galveston. If you eat at the bar at Katie's, you can see the battleship Texas outside the window. It's a great place to eat. So it's Shanna and her mom and a bunch of other people who obviously, why would I know who they are? I don't know who they are. I know it's not Terry and Tony, though I can safely say that. So I am using February 25th, 1954 to do her chart.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Because that was the date of the post on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

The date of the post on Instagram. It works surprisingly well. We hope it's her birthday. So February 25th, 1954 makes Wanda Holloway a Pisces. And usually Pisces are the dreamy, empathetic, creative water signs, but all signs have a dark side. And one of the things about Pisces is they're not soft, they're boundaryless. And a person without boundaries is one of the most dangerous kinds of people there are because they cannot tell you where they end and another person begins. Wanda could not tell where she ended and Shanna began. That cheerleading tryout was not her daughter's, it was hers. Every loss Shanna took, Wanda felt as a wound to her own body. And that in Pisces is its shadow, not gentle, not dreamy, dissolved, obsessed, unable to locate herself outside of someone else's success. And it gets better because Wanda doesn't just have her son in Pisces, she has a Pisces stellium, a sun, a Venus, and a Mercury all in Pisces. So she is a lot of Pisces. Three major planets in one sign. And so she's aggressively catastrophically Pisces. So a Mercury and Pisces means she thinks in impressions, not logic. She doesn't reason her way to conclusions. She feels her way there. And then she believes those feelings completely. By the time she called Terry Harper, she had told herself a story where she was a good mother doing what she needed to be done. And Mercury and Pisces genuinely cannot always tell the difference between the narrative and the truth. Then here's the Venus in Pisces. Venus is considered one of the most powerful placements in astrology. Venus is actually exalted there, meaning it operates at full intensity, but the shadow of Venus is exalted in Pisces, is that the person becomes intoxicated by ideal image of themselves. They don't see reality, they see a beautiful story that they have written in their own head, and they will burn down the world to keep it that way. Image is a spiritual mission. Now, the moon sign, your moon is your emotional core, how you process things, how you feel, how you mother, how you react, how you're scared. Her moon's in Libra, and Libra moon runs on approval, beauty, and fairness. And here's the thing about the Libra moon, it's crucial understanding for Wanda. She didn't think she was doing something wrong. A Libra moon cannot emotionally survive the scales being tipped. When Amber took Shanna's spot, something in Wanda's nervous system just registered it as not disappointment, but as injustice because, you know, she wasn't even supposed to be there the first time. The universe is out of balance. And she spent a couple years trying to correct it, just getting hit in the face with more disappointment. So she also has a Venus in Pisces and a Libra moon combo, which means Venus who rules Libra is ruling two parts of her personality, her chart, simultaneously. So there's a lot of image, beauty, and social standing, and the approval of others are like oxygen. So another thing that the Libra moon does so perfectly is they hate direct confrontation. Libra Moon smiles at you in the grocery store, Libra Moon keeps up appearances, and they show up to court in a crisp white dress and expect to be cast as Susan Lucci in the whole situation.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

If y'all look at any of the video from back then, I mean, Wanda doesn't have a hair out of place. Makeup's perfect. She was just dolled up for sure.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

Yep. So she also has a Mars and Sagittarius, and Mars is how you fight. And Sagittarius is the sign of big beliefs, righteous fire, and the absolute conviction that you are correct and justified. And they don't get angry, they get righteous. So she believes she was like, I'm gonna write this wrong. I'm gonna correct this situation because Amber should not have been part of this. But a generational placement, right? So Saturn and Scorpio, that is a period of time where people born in that period of time in the mid-1950s, Pluto rules like death and transformation. And Pluto is in Leo in that particular time. I'm sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Now you're good. The generational placement, Pluto and Leo.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Everybody born in the early to mid-1950s has this. Leo rules children, Pluto rules obsession, power, and destruction. And this entire generation was wired to channel their need for significance through their kids. And it's the generation that invented the stage bomb and the dad screaming in the bleachers.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

And, you know, most people didn't hire hitmen, but they were very much behind their children.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

I think part of it too was growing up, she couldn't do all those things. And women's, I mean, you know, you couldn't open a checking account without a man until what, 74 or something, you know? So she was proud of her daughter and was encouraging her daughter to be the best she could be. But the full picture: Sun, Venus, and Mercury and Pisces dissolved into her daughter completely. There was no Wanda and Shanna, there was only the goal, moon and Libra. She needed to see the world as fair and good and put things together.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

And Mars and Sagittarius, she wasn't trying to rin. She was just trying to write or wrong.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

In the documentary, one thing that when Shanna got disqualified, she admits later, she goes, went to the bathroom and I cried. And I cried for my mother because I was happy. I didn't want to do it anyway. And that's the sad part. But when Shanna told her mom she was doing the documentary, Wanda's response was, Why would you do that? No one got hurt except you. Wow. Yep. Shanna also admitted in the documentary that her mom had asked her, What would you think if Amber and Werner were gone? And she said to her, Well, yeah, I think make things easier. And they laughed about it. But she was like, she never admitted it through all the trial and through all the media coverage, but she admits it later in the documentary. She's like, I thought she was just mom being mom. You know, it's like I didn't think she was gonna really go through with that. Homicidal.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yes. So yeah. So that's the story, our story of Wanda Holloway.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Nice story. Thanks for the astrology there.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Does anyone have questions?

SPEAKER_00 37:31

So Sherry just asked, where is Wanda now?

SPEAKER_01 37:35

Well, she is laying low. I know in 2024 she was at Katie's Seafood House in Gallagher.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

I think she's still in this East Texas part of the state, but don't know exactly what city.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

So uh well, thanks for showing up. Thanks, y'all. Hey. Thanks for joining us on the Femme Fatal. I hope you liked our live episode, and we hope we get to do it again. Like hey, bye, Stacy. The Femme Fatal, created and hosted by Stacy Dotson, produced by Mark Williams, music by Marcia Yingling, Chad Shake, and Greg Loicano.